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China plans nuclear submarines near US coast, miltary bases in South China Sea


Chinese Nuclear Submarine

Chinese Nuclear Submarine

The following is based on translations from Chinese media:

So far there has been no news about Chinese nuclear submarine cruising near the US. There has been official confirmation from China that a Chinese nuclear submarine operated in the Indian Ocean for a short period of time.

US nuclear submarine commander Benjamin Person (transliteration from Chinese) recently laughed at China, saying that Chinese nuclear submarines had never been active near the United States. He is happy that his nuclear submarine has been active in the seas near China for a long time.

This qianzhan.com article comments on Person’s words, saying that China obviously lags behind the US, but it has been making great efforts to catch up. China has established a coastal anti-submarine network and improved and upgraded the equipment of its anti-submarine aircraft and warships.

Such efforts will soon effectively deter the activities of US nuclear submarines in the East China Sea but not the South China Sea as the latter is vast in area and complicated under water. However China’s reclamation in key areas in the South China Sea will enable China to set up naval and air bases for anti-submarine aircrafts and warships to contain US nuclear submarines. Therefore, the article believes that US nuclear submarines will not be able to cruise freely in the East and South China Seas for much longer.

The article says that when China’s new nuclear submarines have been commissioned and communication technology improved, Chinese nuclear submarines will be able to operate near the US.

Contributor’s note: My post in early August mentioned Japanese Yumiuri Shimbun’s report that a nuclear submarine of the Chinese navy successfully launched a new-type JL-3 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the Atlantic Ocean in late July. The missile hit its target in a desert in Xinjiang. That test proves that China’s strategic nuclear submarine can hit anywhere in the United States with its JL-3 SLBMs. Therefore, I believe it is not necessary for a Chinese strategic nuclear submarines to cruise near the US to make American people nervous.

On the other hand, what the qianzhan.com article says about keeping US attack nuclear submarines away from East and South China Seas is in fact senseless. As most major Chinese cities are located near Chinese coast, US attack nuclear submarines can hit those cities with their Tomahawk cruise missiles even if they are not in the seas near China. The missile has a range of 2,800 km. Chinese coast cities remain vulnerable to US attack even if US submarines are not in the East or South China Sea.

China has to make hard efforts to obtain the capabilities of fighting its enemy far away from its coasts to avoid damages to its homeland. That is the common views of Chinese generals.

Source: qianzhan.com “US officer laughs at China’s nuclear submarines that have so far not operated near the US” (summary by Chan Kai Yee based on the report in Chinese)
 

About chankaiyee2

Author of the book "Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements" about how with the help of Tiananmen Protests, talented scholars with moral integrity seized power in the Party and state and brought prosperity to China. The second edition of the book will be published within a few days to mark the 25th anniversary of Tiananmen Protests All the parts in the first edition remain in the second edition with a few changes due to information available later and better understanding. There are also some changes for improvements of style. The new parts are Chapters 12-19 on events in China after the first edition was published: The fierce power struggle for succession between reformists and conservatives; Xi Jinping winning all elders’ support during his mysterious disappearance for 2 weeks in early September, 2012; and Xi Jinping Cyclone. Chan Kai Yee's new book: SPACE ERA STRATEGY: The Way China Beats The US An eye-opening book that tells the truth how the US is losing to China. The US is losing as it adopts the outdated strategy of Air-Sea Battle while China adopts the space era strategy to pursue integrated space and air capabilities: It is losing due to its diplomacy that has given rise to Russian-Chinese alliance. US outdated strategy has enabled China to catch up and surpass the US in key weapons: Hypersonic weapons (HGV) that Pentagon regards as the weapon that will dominate the world in the future. Aerospaceplane in China’s development of space-air bomber that can engage enemy anywhere in the world within an hour and destroy an entire aircraft carrier battle group within minutes. Anti-satellite (ASAT) weapons, anti-ASAT weapons, stealth aircrafts, drones, AEW&C, etc. The book gives detailed descriptions of China’s weapon development based on information mainly from Chinese sources that the author monitors closely. U.S. Must Not Be Beaten by China! China is not a democracy. Its political system cannot prevent the emergence of a despotic leader or stop such a leader when he begins to bring disasters to people. A few decades ago, Mao Zedong, the worst tyrant in world history did emerge and bring disasters to Chinese people. He wanted to fight a nuclear war to replace capitalism with communism but could not bring nuclear holocaust to world people as China was too weak and poor at that time. If a despot like Mao Zedong emerges when China has surpassed the US in military strength, world people will suffer the misery experienced by Chinese people in Mao era. China surpassing the US in GDP is not something to worry about as China has the heavy burden to satisfy its huge population, but China surpassing the US in military strength will be world people’s greatest concern if China remains an autocracy. US people are of much better quality than Chinese people. What they lack is a wise leader to adopt the correct strategy and diplomacy and the creative ways to use its resources in developing its military capabilities. I hope that with the emergence of a great leader, the US can put an end to its decline and remain number one in the world. China, US, space era strategy, air-sea battle, space-air bomber, arms race, weapon development, chan kai yee

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90 thoughts on “China plans nuclear submarines near US coast, miltary bases in South China Sea

  1. A few years ago there was a missile launched in the Pacific Ocean, witnessed by folks on the beach.
    It wasn’t our missile, it was someone else’s missile. Not a missile shot by Russia, Iraq, nor Iran.
    Had on its side, MADE IN CHINA.

    Posted by CASEY RYBACK | September 20, 2014, 9:33 pm
  2. DATE THAT THE CHINESE SUB SHOT A MISSLE INTO THE AIR OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA?
    NOV. 2010. HERE IS THE THREAD SO YOU CAN READ THE ARTICLE.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/11/missile-fired-off-california-coast-on-same-day-that-chinese-sub-appeared-in-us-carrier-group/

    Posted by CASEY RYBACK | September 20, 2014, 9:36 pm
    • The significance of that launch, and the launch location, is that an interceptor missile would never be able to catch it, and thus Chinese SLBMs can bypass our existing missile defense systems.

      Posted by Testicules | September 21, 2014, 2:35 am
  3. China’s recent activities never fail to amaze me. For a country whose very economy is so dependent on exports to the world, their inferiority complex continues to drive them to ever increasing numbers of stupid moves on the world stage. The South China Sea, incursions into Japanese and Philippine airspace, buzzing US Reconnaissance aircraft, and now announcing they will place a submarine off the US shores. With these and other moves, they have succeeded in alienating a large part of the world and forced nations like Japan, the Philippines, India, and others to consider drastic moves as to their own security. Hell, Japan, recipient of the only nuclear attacks in the history of the world is seriously contemplating (or silently already under way) becoming a nuclear power. China is like the frail kid on the playground who all of a sudden grows up and achieves stronger height an weight and decides to become a bully. He may be bigger, he may be taller, but he isn’t necessarily smarter or tougher. And when he confronts the wrong person, he gets bloodied, and in a hurry. That is the game China is playing right now. Continue the confrontations with the Japanese, India, and yes even the US and they may find that their large army, their submarines, and their fledgling Blue Water Navy were built for the sole purpose to be destroyed. The sad matter of fact then would be that the irresponsible, irrational, and ill-prepared leadership might resort to Nuclear Weapons to prove the legitimacy of “China Rising”. And with that all the exports, all the world-wide agreements for natural resources, and all the prestige they think they have or have sought in the world will be for naught. And what will be left behind will not be the massive factories, or the shining new cities filled with a burgeoning middle class, but devastation and the destruction of the Chines Miracle, but rather 100’s of millions of Chinese who might survive, mired in sickness, starvation, and a lifestyle reminiscent of 10th century China. China has said it wants to be a world power. Well China, start acting like one and quit trying to prove your the toughest kid on the block when in reality, you are just a wannabe!.

    Posted by James Robinson | September 20, 2014, 9:36 pm
    • Well, we have been acting pretty tough to them as we patrol off their coast and between them and Taiwan. Don’t underestimate the Chinese or the Russians. While we have been bogged down in the mid east they have been quietly building as in their in-county needs and their military.

      Posted by Harry Smith | September 21, 2014, 12:12 am
      • I agree we have been way too distracted by the Indian Ocean and its gulfs and seas. It has never been as crucial to American interests as the the Atlantic and Pacific. It is the only ocean in which an indigenous trading network existed prior to Western expansion. The five hundred year period from the Portuguese intrusion until now was a historical anomaly.
        The USA must be supreme on the World’s Ocean in which we are in essence a great isle. With a US-Indian alliance a fleet-in-being can include Australian, Israeli, Egyptian, Kenyan, Indonesian, Malayan and other friendly nations on the Indian Ocean littoral. But we must let all potential allows know, that the Indian Ocean laps up on no American shores.

        Posted by A. Sshrugs | September 21, 2014, 1:11 pm
    • Oh… but never fear we have a TRAITOR in the WH that is too lily-livered to do anything.

      Posted by John Smithers | September 21, 2014, 6:07 am
  4. The US military is still far superior. If ISIS had nuke subs off the coast, then I would be concerned. The Chinese nuke subs will probably prevent more conflicts than start any.

    Posted by Tim | September 20, 2014, 9:54 pm
    • Well, while we have been spending our time and money on “wars”, we have had to scrap our space shuttle and hitch a ride with the Russians. Now India is planning to orbit Mars and don’t tell me the Indian Institute of Technology is only a hick school – the are rated very highly. Maybe we need to refocus and change our priorities!

      Posted by Harry Smith | September 21, 2014, 12:16 am
      • You can blame the Shuttle rides on this administration for limiting and cutting NASA budget.
        All the money spent on wars gives and advantage of equipment, tactical know-how and ability to deal with any world uprisings at a moment notice. We stand to gain from those wars technologically and tactically.

        Our priority at any given time should be;
        -Are we strong and stable enough to deter attacks?
        -Is our military up to the challenge of a full on attack against the mainland USA?
        -Do we have the proper people in place to co-ordinate a defense as well as an offense?

        In these global times of trouble, this is not the time to be WEAK and wondering!

        Posted by TTime | September 21, 2014, 9:19 am
    • if isis had a nuke sub it would be because we gave it to them

      Posted by Colligavit Nemo | September 21, 2014, 12:29 am
    • US military is superior than China globally but not in Asia. A balance of military power between China and US in Asia contributes to stability in this region. In the not distant future, such balance stretch out and will become global which is the best and only way to force USA to working with China.

      Posted by Mark Chan | September 21, 2014, 2:13 am
    • I don’t think so

      Posted by BOStinks2 | September 21, 2014, 11:41 pm
  5. Nice thing about Nukes.
    It is not about who fires first.
    It is about who fires last.

    Posted by Angus MacDonald | September 20, 2014, 9:55 pm
    • Accidents happen at sea, the Chinee have bumped our planes, our ships and have generally caused trouble for a long time now, ever since the Chinese Communists started brutalizing, starving and murdering their own people. Sometimes submarines sink by accident, it would not surprise me if these unproven Chinese Submarines just sunk off of the American coast, if they even make it that far. My heart goes out to the families of the lost Chinese sailors.

      Posted by John C | September 21, 2014, 1:33 am
    • The end result of the nuke game is highly unpredictable.

      Posted by Mark Chan | September 21, 2014, 5:44 am
  6. The Chinese have been operating a covert weapons development program for years. Having built a new facility beneath the village of Bin Wa, the aim of this program is the construction of a missile with a range of 5,500 miles. The prototype, tested in 2010, was nicknamed Thundering Pole and suffered a catastrophic explosion from SLRK facility in the Indian Ocean. Design alterations followed quickly with the subsequent testing of: Spitting Cobra, Trouser Weasel, and the Panda Poker. The program has, however, failed to achieve objectives because the rockets are too small.

    Posted by jonny sako | September 20, 2014, 10:02 pm
  7. Rice paper and bamboo submarines? Oooooh! We’re sooo scared!

    Posted by Joe Byden | September 20, 2014, 10:21 pm
    • Obama and Bush helped build China’s military, all in return for China buying our Treasury bills. All Obama wanted from China was a few fig leaf steps to stop global warming, as China emitted more carbons than the rest of the world combined. Bush liked commercial trade with China, helping put us in debt forever to the Chinese, as they buy up property in the US. China can keep its people as subjugated as in North Korea, siphoning off money for the military, unlike America where we have political limits and get “war weary.”

      The only good thing about China is they oppose Muslims. Russia and China have Muslim insurrections, yet Russia is friends with Shiites, and China with Pakistan and Afghanistan. North Korea sends nuke parts to Iran. When oil and money are involved, China, Russia and North Korea are the Muslims’ friends.

      Best about China is it helps North Korea counterfeit our hundred dollar bills, so well, experts have trouble distinguishing them. This way America helps Kim Jong Un build nuclear bombs, with our counterfeit money. Ben Bernanke said not to worry, it’s just a few billion worth. Ben gave us the 2008 recession, so we can just Ben. China takes its cut, as North Korea passes out fake Ben Franklins. Ben Bernanke is asking North Korea to put his picture in place of Franklin. We could call the 100 dollar notes, “Ben Bernankes” but Kim Jong Un would be jealous. A Chinese bank in China near North Korea helps print the Ben Bernankes.

      Posted by christian1269 | September 20, 2014, 11:45 pm
    • Heavenly apparitions from Bayside, NY, Necedah, Wisconsin reveal USA will be taken over by Russia utilizing the manpower of China so pay attention to these developments. Takeover because of 70 million US abortions since 1973 and USA spreading homosexuality over the entire world and USA bishops wrecking the Catholic Church.

      Posted by John Richard Walsh | September 21, 2014, 2:07 am
      • USA takeover by Russia and China will be easy as Comrade Obama was educated in Moscow USSR as a communist and atheist. Serves USA right for not vetting Obama who was born in Mombasa, British Protectorate of East Africa 8/4/61 which became Kenya in Nov 1963. Youtube.com video shows Obama promising President Medvedev that he will be more flexible after the Nov 2012 election.

        Posted by John Richard Walsh | September 21, 2014, 2:13 am
    • Joe Biden must be so scared of “China Threat” that he is talking nonsense again.

      Posted by Mark Chan | September 21, 2014, 2:20 am
  8. I cannot wait to see a Chinese nuke sub pay a Good Will visit to San Francisco. The whole city will turn out to greet the sub crew, the sub captain will receive the key to the city and the Chinese sailors will get coupon booklets good for free admission to strip joints and whore houses. Next will be Chinese aircraft carriers patrolling the West Coast of the US.

    Posted by tea isstronger-wang | September 20, 2014, 11:05 pm
  9. Reblogged this on LouisianaWorld.Net | BattleOfOurTimes.Com and commented:
    “Contributor’s note: My post in early August mentioned Japanese Yumiuri Shimbun’s report that a nuclear submarine of the Chinese navy successfully launched a new-type JL-3 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the Atlantic Ocean in late July. The missile hit its target in a desert in Xinjiang. That test proves that China’s strategic nuclear submarine can hit anywhere in the United States with its JL-3 SLBMs. Therefore, I believe it is not necessary for a Chinese strategic nuclear submarines to cruise near the US to make American people nervous.”

    Posted by BeEtLjOoZ | September 20, 2014, 11:37 pm
  10. Not a very smart move economically for the Chinese. But if true, will provide great training for US forces.

    Posted by lhansen11 | September 21, 2014, 12:06 am
  11. Beware the CHINESE, Islam, ISIS and Ebola for they have nothing good for the future of the world.

    Posted by Adna Gaporp | September 21, 2014, 12:09 am
  12. So stupid. You think we would have learned by now that killing massive numbers of people is morally wrong.

    Posted by Claude Slagenhop | September 21, 2014, 12:52 am
  13. China is serious about surviving nuclear conflict, revealed by their extensive tunnel and shelter system which is continually expanded and upgraded as seen here… http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/part-2-is-china-preparing-for-nuclear-war-beijing-hardens-subways-for-nuclear-gas-attacks/

    Tragically, in comparison, we have a grossly underutilized defense against Chinese nukes that could seriously mitigate their lethality here, that few know about, much less appreciate.

    We could instantly render all Chinese nukes threatening us (Russian, N Korean, Iranian and any terrorist nukes, too.) 90% less lethal, quick as the public is instructed again in the basics of Civil Defense ‘blast & fallout’ survival tactics. Preposterous!?! Google “The Good News About Nuclear Destruction” or see it here http://www.ki4u.com/goodnews.htm

    Posted by Shane Connor | September 21, 2014, 12:56 am
  14. Remember, when it says “Made in China”, you are financing their military.

    But on the bright side, their military is riddled with the same Chinese apcray we have to throw away because it’s inferior to the product it replaced, or mislabeled, or counterfeit, or just plain lousy.

    I’ve seen Chinese stainless steel rust. But it’s cheap.

    And things break when stressed like in war, and aggressive defensive maneuvers. Ask the Russians. But they didn’t have the ability to steal our technology.

    But they can’t steal quality.

    Posted by chuckiechan | September 21, 2014, 1:29 am
  15. The nations of the world should stop targeting other innocent people of other nations. NATIONS… It is the international banking systems, worldwide mega energy and pharma corporations that should be the target of your and the world’s military. Stop killing innocent people. You want to go ballistic, try hunting down the top 100,000 richest people, they are the ones responsible for all the GREEDY crap going on in the world.

    Posted by Bert Ludwig | September 21, 2014, 1:50 am
  16. Chinese chain yanking. Obama cowers. I have a crisp fifty that says for every sub the Chicoms deploy, we have cavitation signatures down to the n-th rotation. They may deploy off of our coasts but will be shadowed (unbeknownst to them) by multiple Virginia class and heck, probably more than a few Alfa class too.

    Posted by Barry bin Inhalin | September 21, 2014, 1:57 am
  17. The Chinese are just incentivizing the Japanese to produce nukes like Toyotas and Hondas.
    If I were Japan I would arm the rest of the countries surrounding China so the Chinese Communist Party would think more than twice before doing something stupid.

    Posted by SoCalMike | September 21, 2014, 2:52 am
  18. I am constantly amazed that we do not recognize that the Chinese have one MAJOR thing on their side. That thing is time. They are catching up with the US quickly though admittedly are still pretty far behind. What will it be like in 20-40 years/ I predict we will all be speaking Chinese if the genocide has not killed us all.

    Posted by Private Name | September 21, 2014, 2:58 am
  19. What would China do if the US stopped buying its exports?

    Posted by Zibby Notsworth | September 21, 2014, 4:23 am
  20. Given the attention the U.S. has paid to a section of the Chinese coast going back a number of years I suspect that the US is well aware that the Tiger is swimming farther and farther from home.

    Posted by Zibby Notsworth | September 21, 2014, 4:25 am
  21. Remember the movie, “The Bedford Incident”?

    Posted by Alan | September 21, 2014, 4:39 am
  22. 1. As an export driven economy, it sould be suicide to attadk it’sbest dustomers with nuclear weapons.
    2. The effectiveness of the Chinese navy, like the Soviet navy before it, is severely limited by the rigid command and control lines from the Politburo. Naval commanders have little flexibility to adapt to tactical situations, least they face amfiring squad on return to port.
    3. The Chinese leadership would be better off just waiting for their fellow Marxist on Pennsylvania Avenue to domtheir work for them.

    Posted by John Sheridan | September 21, 2014, 5:23 am
  23. Well at least the world respects us with obama at the helm. The professor from Gilligan’s Island was more of a professor than the phony obama.

    Posted by David Adam | September 21, 2014, 6:19 am
  24. Such a big accomplishment China!! Only took you 56 years more than the US to accomplish it!!!

    Posted by MobileSitz (@mobilesitz) | September 21, 2014, 6:45 am
  25. End all commercial activity with China. Shut down any company purchasing any product from China including WalMart. Nationalize any property in the US owned by China and end all diplomatic relations. Refuse to pay any loans until they decide to play nice.

    Posted by Bob | September 21, 2014, 6:47 am
  26. The only way to control China is to stop trading with those Commies. That will entail deep tax reduction incentives for American companies to return manufacturing back to the US and punitive action on those that don’t. The Walmart crowd will have to get used to higher prices. I am not certain that the US consumers will trade cheap stuff for National Security.

    Posted by Americanmade | September 21, 2014, 7:06 am
  27. If these Chinese submarines are made with the same quality as other Chinese products we will soon be rescuing Chinese crews from the ocean bottom.

    Posted by Dennis Dee | September 21, 2014, 7:15 am
  28. dear china grow up– you are destined to be greater once you get that foul smell odor of obama er i mean Mao out of your systems— put nuke subs on your wish list and you vwill all die young– see we in americle love to fight and prepare for war when sven its floor the rightful fateful purpose- namely life preserver freedom as in democracy world wide— okay we made a blunder in picking oblama, clinton too, schillary threeo, but its still good well well— if you team up with us alone as in the US we can rule vis vworld vwell vwell orvwell in zeee your vfuture for a long time— forget the jews or the northern front nazi grand armee- they stink, both of them all the time– revmember dear it’s the G2 as in Gene 2 us and you hun or i mean honey dear for a long march touch down drive or 2 to the end of time untill vwe’re finished vwith democracy as the nazi pact regime of early 1930s and petrodollars and as the jews of the 21st century (or haven’t jew noticed over there the poor palestinian people got a raw deal (this @#it has to stop as %$its called demographic enginrearing and ruins freedum everywhere to sum

    Posted by gene | September 21, 2014, 8:12 am
  29. Hey stock buyers Stick Alibaba up where the sun don’t shine.

    Posted by Franko K. | September 21, 2014, 8:29 am
  30. No doubt our adversaries are emboldened!

    Posted by Harry Grounds | September 21, 2014, 10:45 am
  31. Our Navy should sink them all !

    Posted by Nam Marine | September 21, 2014, 5:13 pm
  32. The Second Seal is WWIII – http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/second-seal-world-war-3/ Be sure to save your soul in this life for that will be all you take with you into Eternity. It’s simple – http://howtosaveyoursoulandthoseofothers.com/

    Posted by Dan Schumann | September 21, 2014, 7:15 pm
  33. I can’t believe that our country’s leaders and China’s can waste so much money making weaponry that they don’t have the balls to ever use…. for 50 years we’ve been fighting useless wars with 100 year old technology…. if we really wanted to win these wars we’d use neutron bombs. Human life is exploding exponentially so our planet doesn’t have long to live. You’d think some leaders would be talking about population control as we kill our oxygen producing oceans with acid rain from coal smoke….. google: ocean acidification or endangered oceans.org to monitor man’s last few decades on Earth… and stop building nuclear submarines that will never effect anything.

    Posted by Chris Berg | September 21, 2014, 10:36 pm
  34. yeah everybody is pretty much parked up each other’s axx. Especially up at camp david.

    Posted by silver fox | September 22, 2014, 1:39 am

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