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China’s stupid contention on South China Sea: most idiotic territorial claim in human history


China South China Sea Claim

China’s South China Sea Claim

I am writing with regard to China boasts of strategy to “recover” islands occupied by Philippines, posted by CHANKAIYEE2, published by the China Daily Mail on May 28, 2013.

This is with reference to the recent interview of “a well-known military expert” Major General Zhang Zhaozhong who gave a talk in a TV interview in Beijing about the current situation dispute between China and the Philippines in the South China/West Philippine Sea.

Further, the said “expert” also analysed his country’s strategy in the said region.

The following is the translation of what this so-called “expert” had said:

What should we do about those islands and reefs? I think that in the main we have done some things relatively successfully in dealing with the Philippines. Since the 1990s, the Philippines has done quite a few illegal and irrational things in its attempt to turn the Huangyan Island into its territory by means of presidential order, domestic legislation, and so on.

COMMENT:

This creature may be an “expert” militarily, yet I cannot say the same with regard to the law, history, international relations, decency, morality and ethics.

This guy may be a great military strategist; but as a person he has no sense of shame, morality or ethics! His cabbage strategy may be beneficial for his country at the expense of the true owner; yet undeniably in the eyes of the world, his country is a mere dirty scavenger, thieves and pirates of the worst kind!

So, according to this so-called “expert,” the Philippines is the one who “has done quite a few illegal and irrational things.” I am wondering, what are these illegal and irrational things he is referring or alluding to?

I cannot understand the mind-set of China in claiming almost all of the islands in the South China Sea, even without the basis of evidence. I am referring to those evidences that are clear, credible and convincing, not the kind of evidence that they are offering that is historical which has no basis either in fact or in law.

China is claiming indisputable sovereignty in the said territories. The problem is: the basis of their claim is baseless, incredible and extremely disputable.

Consider the ABS CBNnews.com report of Jojo Malig, “WikiLeaks cable: China can’t prove Spratlys claim”, April 20, 2013:

“Chinese authorities have failed to identify specific historical evidence backing Beijing’s claims that it owns disputed islands in the West Philippine Sea, a confidential US embassy cable published by anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks said.

“Cable 08BEIJING3499, sent to Washington by the US embassy in Beijing on September 9, 2008, said a Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) official and a local scholar could not identify specific historical records to justify China’s “Nine Dashes” claim that covers the whole Spratlys and areas within other countries’ exclusive economic zones (EEZs).

“MFA Department of Treaty and Law Oceans and Law of the Sea Division Deputy Director Yin Wenqiang told a US embassy political officer on August 30, 2008 that “China has indisputable sovereignty over the islands in the South China Sea and the adjacent waters.”

“However, the US official said “Yin admitted he is not aware of the historical basis for the ‘Nine Dashes'” and only mentioned unspecified “Chinese historical documents” that indicate the basis for China’s claims on territory west of the Philippines, according to the cable.”

COMMENT:

Wow, what kind of indisputable sovereignty it is over the islands in the South China Sea and its adjacent waters as doggedly maintained by China, if they cannot even identify SPECIFIC HISTORICAL (Written) RECORDS that will justify their claim?

Even the Division Deputy Director Yin admitted that “he is not aware of the historical basis for the ‘Nine Dashes’. This is a clear case of admission and another proof of China’s groundless claim.

It is clear from the Wikileak’s cable that the so-called “Nine Dashes” claim “that covers the whole Spratlys and areas within other countries’ exclusive economic zones (EEZs)” is just a mere hoax and a shameful and greedy invention of China to assert their baseless contention and force their idiotic claim!

Further, it was revealed that: “The US official also talked to Beijing University Asia scholar Yang Baoyun about China’s claims.”

The so-called “scholar”, Yang stated that China’s claims “date back to ancient times, prior to the development of the modern nation-state.”

COMMENT:

Bloody hell, what kind of scholar is that? What kind of ‘argument’ is that? The basis of their claim is anchored on the ancient times? Holy cow!

That is the most idiotic pronouncement that I ever heard in my entire conscious life. If that is the case, then there are no nation-states today in a legitimate sense, because we are all properties or territories of the ancient people!

Bwahahahahaha! I cannot contain my amusement! That “scholar” is one of the most idiotic persons that I’ve encountered in my life! What a shame! Undoubtedly, he is an idiot of the highest order!

Further, the cable added that:

“Neither MFA’s Yin nor Beijing University’s Yang could specify a historical document that indicated the basis for the demarcation of the ‘Nine Dashes’…”

Instead, Yang referred to a 2000 (a not so ancient document) MFA “white paper” on the Spratlys.

“However, the white paper devotes little attention to the history of the “Nine Dashes,” providing, for example, only vague references to areas frequented by Chinese fisherman from Hainan…”

COMMENT:

It is beyond dispute that China has no evidence whatsoever and only shamefacedly using force and bullying its neighbours, because of her greed!

As one commentator said:

“China is rebuffing the Philippine map of 1874 when their map only indicated that their territory by 1904 is only up to Hainan to the South.”

The Philippine claim is being supported by Spain, Germany and other nations of the international community, while China is being supported only by China. What a shame!

Further, I doubt if the Chinese people themselves are supporting their government’s idiotic contention with regard to the territorial dispute.

We all know the truth; the whole world knows the facts: China is acting as the new face of imperialism in the region.

I am wondering is there now a scarcity of food in China, or perhaps their resources are now beginning to dry up; that’s why they are bullying, invading and fishing at other countries’ EEZs?

To the Communist Party of China:

Are you now having problem with your unsustainable growth? That is why even at the expense of your people’s welfare and other countries’ interest, you are concocting stupid historical stories to grab territories of other nations?

Warning to China

Don’t dare us, don’t bully us and don’t even provoke us! We may be small, but we do have the guts and the balls to stand up and fight a bloody bully like you, that has been shown and exhibited many times.

May I remind you that during World War II, your country was ravaged and raped by Japan, yet my country had never surrendered to the Japanese. We fought those bloody bastards from day one up to the end of the war.

In fact, because of the bravery and heroism of the Filipinos, we in a sense saved Australia and New Zealand from the Japanese advance. That gave MacArthur time to regroup and organise his army.

By your evil acts and greedy deeds, you are acting like the new Japan; well, we don’t give a damn about that! We stood up and fought fiercely the Japanese Imperial Army then; if it is necessary — we are prepared to stand up and fight you too — to the death — now!

You want a Part II of the April 2012 incident? Then, so be it! You want a piece of us? C’mon, come and get it; that is if you can: we dare you!

Enough of this cabbage, let’s prepare to rumble!

Jose Mario Dolor De Vega
Philosophy lecturer
Polytechnic University of the Philippines
 
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23 thoughts on “China’s stupid contention on South China Sea: most idiotic territorial claim in human history

  1. The vitriol in your writing is comprehensible. It’s advisable to express one’s opinions with objective analysis and a certain degree of emotional detachment. When arguing against differing opinions, you should not let your writing devolve into rampant personal attacks with no real substance.
    It’s almost drudgery to debunk the various apocryphal claims in your article(about roles of China and Philippines, respectively, in World War II, the Chinese people’s stance on this issue, etc.) Contentious territorial issues aside, you clearly did not do the research about the subject you are writing on. Theories must be supported by evidence and facts, which are both reprehensibly lacking in your writing. I have no way of knowing whether you approach an academic subject with the same method, but I have doubts about the veracity of your claim of being a “Philosophy lecturer”.
    Blind nationalism does not help resolving any issue. Both Filipino and Chinese governments have unscrupulously kindled nationalism as distractions to real domestic issues. I believe that you, as(presumably) a person working in the academia, should have known better than to partake in the gimmicks of shameless politicians. Clearly, however, it was not the case.

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    Posted by Chenney Schell | June 20, 2013, 8:37 pm
    • You can’t blame the author for writing like that because the Philippines and its people are being pushed to the wall because of aggressive China Expansionism in the West Philippines Sea, they are losing fishing rights and grounds on their own territory because of illegal CMS ships patrolling their exclusive economic zone.

      This is an intellectual exercise so your personal attack on the author is not right at the moment.

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      Posted by Kolbe Max | June 21, 2013, 8:47 am
      • So, remind me who started the personal attack and who actually used abusive words. In fact, I did not even dispute the author’s claim of Filipino sovereignty of the territory at the heart of this whole conflict. What I urged for is reason and objectivity. Hyperbolic rhetoric filled with hatred does not win arguments, it only antagonizes part of the audience. If the author did wish to justify his opinions, he could well have used proper reasoning and facts. A lot of people, including many Chinese who are reasonable and willing to engage in healthy debates, are going to be enraged simply by the racial hatred and prejudice, not by the territorial dispute, which is actually what started the conflict. Hatred and prejudice perpetuate themselves, they cannot stop on their own. So we all have to refrain from displays of ridiculous nationalism. Nationalism is an entirely different thing from patriotism, and it does no good other than to benefit some politicians.

        I am willing to retract my alleged “personal attack”, only after the author apologize for his first.

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        Posted by Chenney Schell | June 21, 2013, 10:08 am
      • There is no need for retractions or apologies. China and other regional countries routinely use nationalism as a substitute for foreign policy on territorial disputes. Therefore, the original article, and the reply, are only extensions of what both countries’ governments are already doing.

        I would hope, however, that two valued contributors do not descend into a nationalistic slinging match, or personal attacks on each other, as governments are so prone to do. I like to think the contributors are above that 🙂

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        Posted by China Daily Mail | June 21, 2013, 11:01 am
    • Wait for my comprehensive reply. You talk about research! Base on your research, does China owns those territories that it is claiming? You talk about substance, then, what is the substance of China’s Bullyism and aggression at the South China/West Philippine Sea?

      You doubt my being a “Philosophy lecturer”! That is your problem! However, I also heavily doubt whether there is a competent international court that will rule in favor of China’s illegitimate claim on the said territories! Well, that is if China believes in international law and universal norms!

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      Posted by mariotheradical | June 21, 2013, 11:01 pm
      • I keep my words that I would not argue with you. I never doubt your being a philosophy lecturer.

        Filipino coast guards fired at Taiwanese fishermen and killed one of them. Civilized people denounce killing civilians, even in a war…

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        Posted by chankaiyee2 | June 24, 2013, 11:27 pm
  2. There is only one language I know: and that is the language of truth!

    I don’t care whether you will argue with me or not! I will keep on hammering China’s stupid, preposterous and idiotic claims at the South China Sea!

    The Taiwanese incident is between the Philippines and Taiwan! Don’t mess up with matters you are not a party too! You are claiming Taiwan, but Taiwan doesn’t want to be a part of China! So leave them alone!

    That Taiwanese fisherman is within the territorial waters of the Philippines, what do you want the Coast Guard to do?

    Can we also fish at your own EEZ? Ha?

    The Philippines and Taiwan are not in war! Last week, the two country’s have decided to normalize their relations!

    Your China, does it has a good relations to Taiwan?

    THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY KNOWS THE WHOLE TRUTH: YOUR CHINA’S TERRITORIAL CLAIMS HAS NO BASIS WHATSOEVER!

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    Posted by Jose Mario De Vega | June 25, 2013, 12:08 am
    • Please Tell Me: Where Is That Country?

      In the week from June 16 to 22, 2013, this country and Taiwan have decided to normalize their relations.

      Has this country announced that this country has severed diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China (PRC)?

      It is known to all that this country has to sever diplomatic relations with the PRC before normalizing relations with Taiwan. That is PRC’s precondition for diplomatic relations with the PRC.

      This country has a one-China policy.

      You say that this country’s coast guards are justified in firing at fishermen entering this country’s waters. There is no alternative.

      We all know the common practice of detaining such fishermen and imposing a fine or other punishment but there is a country where the coast guards have no choice but firing at the fishermen and killing them.

      Please tell me: Where is that dangerous country?

      It is too difficult for me to find such a country on earth.

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      Posted by chankaiyee2 | June 25, 2013, 10:10 am
      • One-China policy? Ohh, are you referring to One-Child policy? A so-called policy that is one of the most moronic measure issued by a stupid and inhumane regime!

        One-China policy? Ohh, are you referring to One-Dog policy? Hehehe! Another so-called policy that is violative of the rights of the people to decide how they will live their lives!

        By the way, how many dogs are there in the Politburo of the so-called “Communist” Party?

        Can the Vietnamese, Taiwanese, Malaysian, the Filipinos, whoever they are: can they fish at China’s EEZ?

        The most dangerous country? The whole world knows that that country is no other than China! That country is not only a bully but an opportunist thief and scavenger! Fishing at other country’s EEZ? WHAT A SHAME!

        Please send my regards to that guy who wrote the 2008 Manifesto! He is languishing in jail now! Regards also to the artist Wei Wei!

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        Posted by mariotheradical | June 25, 2013, 11:45 pm
  3. We all know that greediness which leads to war between nations is futile and total failure. No nation actually win war. All suffer damages and agony even the supposed victor. To prevent the worst effects of this greediness, contending nations in the region must respect and follow the UNCLOS 200 miles EEZ so all can live in peace, friendship and good relations and prosperity.

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    Posted by Arturo S. Jocson | August 6, 2013, 6:28 pm
  4. This expert has already suffering from Dimentia ,chinese people are the most stupid on earth, the most hated barbaric cultures….what they say is opposite of what they are doing…..the mother of all lies…shame on you CHINA , you are big as a giant but weaker as it seems ,with a feet of clay…..

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    Posted by Bien | June 18, 2014, 4:26 am
  5. I’m not sure that there has ever been a historical example of a successful permanent claim to an international sea. Sure, you might dominate it for a short time; if you have a huge naval advantage. The British did it for a while in localized areas, the US mostly does it globally, although spread very thin. But unless China has a big surprise hidden away it just does not have the military capacity to achieve it apparent goals. (I do not believe that it is remotely possible to build a hidden fleet – the industrial capacity required is just far too large to hide)

    In today’s era of asymmetrical warfare all you need is a canoe and a rocket launcher to take out an oil/gas platform. So even a naval dominance may not be enough.

    These facts among others lead me to think that the whole issue is a ‘distraction’. What that distraction is, and who that distraction is for is an area for wild speculation.

    Sun Zu quote about battlegrounds and misleading? Anyone?

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    Posted by Knowitall | July 15, 2016, 12:31 pm

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